A View Of Christianity
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- The Bible and Jesus
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- Pagans and Christians
- by SpringWolf
- Pagans and Christians:
- A lot of people ask me what I think of the Bible and Christians.
How do most pagans feel about Christianity and other non-pagan
paths. I of course cannot speak for every pagan, but perhaps
I can give a generalized opinion of the pagans I know personally.
- First let me say that
I respect Christians, Jews and even Muslims. There are even some
Christians I have a great deal of admiration for. Pope John Paul
II, Billy Graham and Joel Osteen for example. In my view people
of faith hold their beliefs within themselves, near and dear
to their heart. Some are very passionate about their beliefs,
while others are content to believe as they choose and think
little more about spiritual path after that. People are people
regardless of what spiritual path they walk. So all religions
have their supporters, detractors, conservatives and zealots.
Some good, some not so good and some really down right terrible.
No matter what faith you practice, human nature is always the
- Many people assume that because you're pagan you hate Christians
and that's just not so. I respect the Bible, and it's teachings.
I may not believe everything Christians do, but we do share concepts.
Respecting and being good to each other is one of those. Some
people think that because Christians persecuted Witches so vehemently,
we pagans are at war with them. Again, not so. Most Pagans I
know respect the Christian doctrine and respect the choice of
those to follow that doctrine. Pagans just have a different perspective
on that doctrine and therefore often have more of a critical
eye on it's stories and teachings.
- In fact I recommend that all pagans read the Bible, at least
a version prior to the King James version. Understanding others
start with understanding their beliefs. It can give you insight
into their point of view and put into context the verses they
use to debate their position. In other words, "know thy
opponent as ye know thyself"; it's helpful to know as much
or more about the main source of their fight against pagans to
debate your position. Reading someone else's doctrine doesn't
mean you're going to be converted to their beliefs. It simply
gives you information and knowledge to intelligently discuss
your beliefs vs. theirs and find common ground between the two.
And there is a lot of common ground between both religions.
- That brings us to the main points of this article. What is
the view of the Bible and Jesus from a pagan perspective. Again,
I can't speak for all Pagans, just myself and those I know.
- The Bible:
- The Bible is a great book in principle. There are some great
lessons to be learned from it's storytelling. But I think it's
unwise to take any written book at face value and strict literal
terms. The world evolves, humans learn and expand their understanding
of the universe and our place in it. Because of this, spirituality
must also grow and expand with that understanding. To me, it's
some what hypocritical to take some parts of the Bible literally
and not others. In today's age, few people would approve of selling
one's daughter to the highest bidder for marriage or slavery
as an example.
- It's also important to remember the origins of the book and
it's evolution. Jews, Muslims and Christians all share the same
history of their individual religions that are in general recanted
in the Old Testament. for Christians, the Torah for the Jews
and the Quran for Muslims. While the Old Testament, the Torah
and the Quran are not exactly the same, they are speaking about
many of the same events and people. But let's stick to the Christian
- According to Christian scholars, the New Testament was written
by the prophets 50 years after the death of Jesus. Each prophet
put down on paper the memories of their lives and times with
Jesus. Now I don't know about you, but I can't remember each
single detail and word said in a conversation 6 months ago, much
less 50 years ago. But let's assume that Yahweh worked through
the prophets to put the events and words on paper. To me that
sounds like Yahweh channeled through the prophets and helped
them write these books. Even if these writings were channeled,
they are still an interpretation of what the prophet heard or
felt. So these were the interpretation of events told by the
prophets. But there is still much we can get from these early
- Over time, the pages of these books became worn and began
to crumble. So followers of the day copied the words onto new
parchment to preserve the words of the prophets. But it had been
so long since their initial writing that the language was not
quite the same. So these followers also updated the language
of these books. In some cases they had to interpret the words
and meaning and hope their interpretation was accurate. Now the
Bible is an interpretation of an interpretation of the Prophets.
But it's still a good book.
- This interpretation of language is where we start to get
away from the initial meaning of the book. Things like The Elohim
said, (Genesis 1:26) "Let us make humanity in our own image,
in the likeness of ourselves". Now in the day, Elohim is
a plural word, including male and female, and should properly
be translated as "Gods" or "Pantheon". This
is a word that's used in many ancient texts to talk about the
Christian "God". In various interpretations of these
early books, the word Elohim was altered to just "God".
- Let's continue for a moment with the Elohim and God. These
early books written by the prophets talk about how Yahweh, an
individual member of the Pantheon, goes out to establish his
own special botanical and zoological Garden in Eden. Followed
by making his own .man to inhabit it (Genesis 2:7): "Yahweh
fashioned a man of dust from the soil".
- Later in the Bible we learn that (Genesis 4:16) "Cain
left the presence of Yahweh and settled in the land of Nod, east
of Eden". We can assume that the phrase "left the presence
of Yahweh" implies that Yahweh is a local deity, and not
omnipresent as the Elohim appear to be. We discover that Cain
settled among the people of Nod, and married one of the women
of that country. Here, for the first time, is specifically mentioned
the "other people" who are not of the lineage of Adam
and Eve. So where did these people come from? There is no other
mention of the Nod or explanation of how they got here on Earth.
So we can again assume they were put here in the image of the
Elohim, and by the Elohim. Not being children of Yahweh, we can
surmise that some of these people were indeed the first pagans.
- Interpretations can alter not only the story, but also the
real meaning behind the story. Whither it's done on purpose as
we'll see next, or simply out of necessity. So let's continue
with our story of the evolution of the Bible.
- Hundreds of years later Constantine decided to proclaim his
kingdom Christian. This was thrilling to the early Christians
who were persecuted for their beliefs. At the time two priests,
Alexander and Arius, were publicly debating the status of Christ.
According to Arius, if Jesus was begat by God then Jesus had
a beginning and therefore it also meant that he didn't exist
until that beginning. Many disagreed with this concept saying
that Jesus was one within Yahweh. This position was headed by
- Now this issue doesn't make sense to me, and it seems to
be a contradiction to the basis of their story. Yahweh tells
Mary that he has given her a son, His son. It doesn't say God
became human through the womb of Mary. The Council of Nicea was
established to deal with this debate that threatened to divide
Christianity. While the debate continued after the Council meeting,
the side of Arius losses favor during the politicking and Alexander
seemingly wins the argument.
- Not long after, the second gathering of the Council was established
to establish a single source of Prophet stories, ie: the Bible.
During and in between these two Council meetings, a good deal
of debate raged about certain teachings and meanings. Another
great debate was that of the Trinity. The Father, Son and Holy
Ghost. If the 10 Commandments were to be the law of the religion
than no God comes before Yahweh. But by anointing Jesus, Christians
are in part putting Jesus before Yahweh. Some argued that God
is God and there is no other. Identifying a Trinity is too much
the like pagans who revered the God, Goddess and Godhead, or
the Triple Goddess Maiden, Mother and Crone. The debate raged,
a vote was taken and the Council declared the Holy Trinity of
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost as reverent to their faith.
- The Council debated additional concepts, meanings and words
of the original prophets. They also debated which Prophets to
allow into their codex and which to leave out. I've been surprised
to learn that many Christians believe the Bible contains ALL
the books of the Prophets and they are unaware that there are
- The Council put down on paper their interpretation of these
Prophet books. Some decisions as to what the text meant were
determined by vote. It may also be important to note that not
all the Bishops of the day were at this all important Council
meeting. Only about 300 Bishops participated. Some stayed away
because they disagreed with Alexander/Arius decision, others
stayed away because they were not made aware of the gathering
and still others were simply not able to attend based on distance
and ability. To me this is a significant point in time for Christianity.
Basing it's doctrine on politics, some unethical happenings and
vote. But here we have an interpretation of an interpretation
of the interpretation of the prophets. And this is the first
- Through the centuries others laid claim to their own interpretations
and rewrites of this first selection of books and writings. Eventually
we get to a King who takes the throne and calls for a new writing
of the Bible. Putting the teachings and words into common language
for the peasants of his kingdom to read and follow. Until this
point only scholars and priests read the Bible. At one time in
history it was heresy for anyone else to read the words of the
Bible. The common people merely followed the teaching of their
Bishop or Priest. But things had been changing and King James
came along to set forth his Council. This was a time when breaking
the laws of the King meant going against the Church. Breaking
the law of Church meant breaking the law of the King. It was
important for his common people to know what they could and couldn't
do, and he commissioned what some say is the first commoners
version of the Bible.
- Like their predecessors before them, they of course had to
make interpretations of the gospel to meet the culture and language
of the day. These are some of the most destructive alterations
to the Biblical story. The King James version of the Bible implemented
some of the biggest changes to the Christian story that are greatly
impacting our society today. Modern interpretations of the Bible
have taken their lead from the King James version and are just
as destructive as those made by King James. Impacting our culture,
politics, propaganda, bigotry and future. These are just a few
we can point out here.
- In Romans 16:3: Paul refers to Priscilla as another of his
"fellow workers in Christ Jesus." Other translations
refer to her as a "co-worker". But still other translations
attempt to downgrade her status by calling her a simple "helper".
The original Greek word is "synergoi", which literally
means "fellow worker" or "colleague."
- One example of a questionable translation would be in Romans
16:1, where Paul introduces Phoebe as "deacon." Paul
uses the same Greek word for himself in the sense of a preacher,
a minister, and the same word appears in Ephesians 6:21 where
it refers to a male and is normally translated "minister."
However, in English translations, "deacon" is translated
as "deaconess" or slave when in reference to Phoebe
-- a woman.
- One of the biggest debates today is the modern translation
of Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as
with woman kind: it is abomination." This verse is interpreted
directly as "And with a male thou shalt not lie down in
beds of a woman; it is an abomination. That is, "rather
than forbidding male homosexuality, it simply restricts where
it may occur."
- And of course there's the one that's near and dear to Pagans.
Exodus 22:17 "Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live".
The verse was written with the word makesofha, and was really
mistranslated at the time. Many scholars have noted that makesofha
means "poisoner" and the verse was written in the modern
- In addition, many verses taught today are taken out of context
and hold varying meanings when this occurs. One good example
of this is John 4:4 "You, dear children, are from God and
have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater
than the one who is in the world." This verse is commonly
taught today as meaning that God is greater than Satan. However
in verse 1 of this chapter, the one in the world is defined as
being a false prophet. "Dear friends, do not believe every
spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
is a more accurate translation. The words "spirit"
and "spirits" in this context refer to intelligent
beings - men, not demons or Satan.
- Even though many of the details in the original books of
the Prophets have been obscured and lost, the general concepts
in the Bible are well intended. For the most part it is an interesting
read, but many pagans believe it should not be taken so literally.
Especially since it contains a number of contradictions, misinterpretations
- The Teacher Jesus:
- Many pagans believe that Jesus did live at one time. That
he was a great priest, healer and teacher of his faith. But that's
as far as most pagans take it. Many fundamentalists say that
Jesus is the only way to God. Well in the general context, this
could be true if we remember that Jesus is the son of Yahweh.
In which case Yahweh gave the life of his only begotten son for
the sins of his followers. But what about the other people? What
about the people of Nod or those that did not follow Yahweh?
What about the children of the Elohim?
- There is also debate about the interpretation of this text.
Jesus discussed the stations of "The Way" (John 14:2)
"There are many dwelling places in my Fathers house.
Otherwise, I would have told you, because I am going away to
make ready a place for you. Now this passage actually says
a lot. Jesus is telling his prophets that there are MANY places
in Heaven. But that he is going to prepare a certain place for
those who follow him.
- One of the early versions of the bible took the Greek word
monh, meaning "resting stations" and translated into
Latin as mansio. It went through the King James version as "mansion",
and so the original connection to Nazarene teachings was obscured.
Again we can see a hinting to the Elohim having many places to
dwell in after death. If you want to dwell with Jesus and his
Father Yahweh, then follow his path to his dwelling. If not,
there are many dwellings in the after life where you will be
welcomed by the Elohim.
- Pagans have no desire to discount Christians and their beliefs.
All we ask is that non-pagans, Christians, Jews and Muslims offer
us the same respect we offer them. We are all trying to live
a positive good life, being kind to each other and living with
our own spiritual connection to what we see as the Divine. Through
this understanding, we can gain tolerance, wisdom and peace.
- Christian Witches and Christian Wicca:
- Contrary to intolerant beliefs within the Witchcraft community;
both do exist. There are Christian Witches and Christians Wiccans.
And I'll try to explain the difference and the concepts of each
- "Witch" is not specific to any one religion. It's
merely a label for a person who practices the Science of Energy
Manipulation - what most call Magik. You'll notice I don't spell
it magic. There's a difference between stage magic and spiritual
magik. "Witch" as a label can exist any a variety of
religions, not just pagan ones.
- Christian Witches - are Christians who practice magik. Typically
you'll find these folk in central and south America. But they
do exist all over the world. They believe in Divine Magik, but
they also accept Jesus as their savior and lord. They are devout
Christians, who simply also believe in magikal practices.
- Christian Wiccans - as a label, this one gets a lot of attacks.
Many narrow minded neo-pagans don't see how these 2 can coexist.
But those who understand the concepts of both religions, have
found a way to combine the two in a wonderful view of harmony
and coexistence. Christian Wiccans believe in the same concepts
as neo-pagans. From reincarnation to karma and magik. Just as
a Wiccan will chose a particular deity to honor, so do Christian
Wiccans. But Christian Wiccans work with Christian Deities specifically.
- Instead of seeing Zeus as the Godhead, a Christian Wiccan
will chose Jehovah.
- Instead of choosing Aries as the God, they'll choose Jesus.
- Instead of choosing Athena as the Goddess, a Christian Wiccan
will chose Mary.
- In this approach Mary is the embodiment of the Goddess, Jesus
the God and Jehovah as the Godhead. It's a very compatible trinity
that works well for many people. From this concept, the Christian
Bible is still a book of faith; but it takes on different interpretations.
It's also important to note that Christian Wiccans do not believe
in the King James version of the bible. They see it as a bastardization
of the scriptures that was modified for political reasons. They
are quick to point out that previous interpretations of the bible
actually support the concept of the divine trinity and magik
as a positive force in one's life.
- Additional Reading:
- You may also like to read some of these sources that were
used to write this article. They also discuss topics such as
this in detail and are very interesting.
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- Created: 10.30.2007 Updated: